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 Post subject: Turbo time, maybe.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:31 am 
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No ive not gone totally insane (although i am half way there :lol: ) but i cant stop thinking about having a go at the low boost turbo route over the winter months :?

I know there is quite a bit involved but after the amount of work ive done over the years on the old girl ive adopted the how hard can this be approach to doing things and just get on with it :roll: :D

What do people think to the idea of turbo route? Yes i know there are plenty of disaster stories but if its done right i know how good they are :D

Ive got a rough idea of what i need to do with the turbo, ecu and second injector being the most expensive parts but can anyone give me a rough breakdown of the other bits im going to need besides the obvious.

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 Post subject: Re: Turbo time, maybe.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:33 pm 
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Location: Bristol Fleet: 1996 Cinqy Turbo, 2010 500 Sport, MEV Exocet (mid-build)
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Erm, off the top of my head:

- Manifold to modify.
- Swirl pot and other associated plumbing and air filter
- Oil feed to turbo and return (e.g. sandwich plate by the filter - use a small Clio filter and then tap the sump).
- Something to map the second injector with (MF2, or full-on management to replace ECU).
- Something to block the MAP/MAF signal to disguise the boost (if you're keeping the original ECU and controlling the 2nd injector with a piggyback that is)

Going further (depends how complicated you want to get initially, but if you're aiming for longevity then...):
- Heat/detonation management tactics, e.g. intercooler or other charge cooling, reducing compression with pistons or sandwich plate (has your head been skimmed already? Might want to swap for one that hasn't), water/methanol injection
- Increase fuel pressure
- AF ratio/ lambda meter to monitor/make sure it's not too lean

Erm....I'm still thinking....

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 Post subject: Re: Turbo time, maybe.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:43 pm 
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Seems like ive thought of most things already in that case :) .
I take it your has a oil cooler Helen? Where is your oil feed for the turbo come from?

I may have to have a look at some point at your Turbo if i may please for reference :D

EDIT: Found a good pic or a turbo conversion pipe work :D

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 Post subject: Re: Turbo time, maybe.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:50 pm 
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Mine is fed via a sandwich plate by the oil filter and a return into the sump. It has a small Clio filter to compensate for the loss of space.

No oil cooler on mine, but that's on the list of things-to-do. I have a growing pile of parts that I keep accumulating and haven't got round to fitting yet. Lots of nice fun things to do when I do put it back into use.

You're welcome to come and have a look, it's under about 3 inches of dust at the moment though :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Turbo time, maybe.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:06 pm 
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Ohhhh excellent thanks Helen. Ill take you up on that some time

I just need to work out how to run it with my oil cooler in there too as if i run it in line the turbo wont get any oil until the thermostat in the sandwich plate opens up to allow oil to the cooler :?

Pete? Are you there? Any ideas on how to do it? I take it the black'un had an oil cooler :?

Found this pic for reference which i thought was quite good.


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo time, maybe.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:23 pm 
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Found a few pic's, hopefuly they may be helpfull

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 Post subject: Re: Turbo time, maybe.
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Thanks Kev :D

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 Post subject: Re: Turbo time, maybe.
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lee wrote:
Thanks Kev :D

No problem, I love reading about turbo'd centos 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Turbo time, maybe.
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Same, there ace. After having a go in a certain turbo Seicento i fell in love with the noise it made and how it delivered its power :lol:

Rather looking forward to having a crack at this :D

Need to find a suitable turbo 1st though and go from there :D

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 Post subject: Re: Turbo time, maybe.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:16 pm 
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IIRC Garrett T15 is common fitment on Astra and Golf TDi. Dunno which variant includes the actuator and manifold plates to be at the right side/angle for Cento fitment, sorry!

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The T15 on mine was from a 90bhp Golf TDi. The wastegate actuator did need redrilling and moving around a little to help line things up.

You do need a boost gauge to set it up too as these turbos come set for about 1 bar-ish.

IIRC my oil feed was taken from the top most allen bolt on the oil filter head. The bottom one is pre-filter, so I wouldn't tee off here.

My black'un had a thermostatic 10 row 235mm oil cooler (if anything it was a bit larger than required) fed from a sandwich plate, as Helen says you need a Clio 1.4 16v oil filter to make sure the filter and exhaust don't try to co-exist in the same space.

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 Post subject: Re: Turbo time, maybe.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:44 pm 
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that red sei turbo belongs to blu73 and has different cooling as it has aircon
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ok i got a bit carried away but ideas for you

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oh and i know someone stripping a 1242 8v turbo just built with 22k mile engine the last photo he couldnt wire it ll up so give up its spi btw :twisted: contact Barinder Sandhu off my facebook friends for info mate here to help ya :applause:

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Thanks for your input everyone it's much appreciated.

I'm currently running a ten row oil cooler Pete and the Clio filter as the standard filter doesn't fit with the sandwich plate now. I already have a vacuum gauge so thats another thing out of the way.

I'm thinking of moving the radiator to the other side to free up a little more space for the turbo install.

Craig, I've already bought some bits off Brin for the turbo install.

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